↳ Four quotes [4/4]: “Love doesn’t lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled… but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love… that’s what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you… not condemn you.” - Jolee Bindo
So Seven Seas Publishing recently posted an ask pertaining to censorship in mature manga and I thought their comments were really interesting.
I actually think it’s great that they aren’t censoring manga. But on a different plane their response sort of rubs me the wrong way. Now that I’ve given you the context you’ll forgive me if I take a couple lines out of this ask and focus on that for a bit.
“Regarding our view on it: We believe that editing/censoring material would be disrespectful to the original author(s)/artist(s) and is an insult to readers. We publish all the original materials, as they were intended to be seen.”
I don’t know if any of you guys remember, but we’ve been involved in something of a long, drawn-out conflict with Seven Seas over their “localizations” of the Alice in the Country of Hearts manga, in which the meaning of entire lines are changed for the sake of a speech quirk that doesn’t exist anyways, and one character in particular has been persistently and (in our opinion) irrationally misinterpreted. In fact at one point, a few of us were in direct contact with the editor who works on all the Alice manga, and the point made above is the exact same one that we brought up in our own arguments.
"…I know what you’re attempting to do in creating a coherent view of a character whose main canon has very little chance of ever being translated. As a writer though, my main qualm here is not what you’re trying to do for the marketing. What frustrates me more is…well, Hoshino is one author, and Fujimaru is another…They’re different authors, handling different arcs, in very different ways…Yes, they’re all works that are based off of a canon that doesn’t exist here. But every author has a different approach to the storyline and the characters and their interactions, with each other and with Alice”
"It’s great that you’re trying to stay consistent, but if you try to maintain continuity of characterization between different works by different authors who did not mean to preserve continuity or make their mangas the sequels of the first anyway, it might create further confusion instead…This is NOT A SEQUEL, but a different reality, created by a different author. Also the characters interact differently with each other and with Alice, just like Ellis said…The whole rhythm of the story is thrown out of balance in your effort to ‘remind the reader’ of how Blood was portrayed by a completely separate author…Would it not be better to treat it as a completely standalone story and keep him consistent throughout the book rather than match up with something not written by the author herself?”
At the time, the editor herself gave no further response. But this Seven Seas response sounds an awful lot like the point Voca and I have been trying to make for months, which is that extensively editing and changing another author’s work is an insult to both the original authors and artists, and to the fans. These works are interpretations, not meant to follow one another chronologically, not meant to convey the same story, mood, or even the same exact characterization. Every author has their own unique artistic fingerprint, and the way the translations are currently being handled, that element of artistic interpretation is being wiped out and replaced with another author’s style for no reason other than that work was the first one published in America.
I fail to understand why, if this is an official position that Seven Seas is adopting, they can’t simply give Alice series fans what we’ve been asking for - translations that are true to their original authors, and that do the characters as much justice as they would have in their original form. If they can do this in other manga, I don’t understand why they can’t do this in Circus and Liar’s Game as well. I can’t see where the roadblock is here - but if someone could tell me, believe me, I would be overjoyed. I’m tired of seeing other artists’ work, and the fans as well, being disrespected like this.
Chertiz new game title.
wow dialovers bloody songs jacket is really nice i like it
but this’s what i see …..i’m so sorry!! O<—-<
This is honestly my favorite Thor moment. He has no idea what that thing is, where he is, what’s going on, but he’s eating pancakes, and the chick with the taser is pointing another electrical thing at him and there are faces on books, but he’s eating pancakes, and yea he’s knows he’s sexy, so yea, he’ll smile.
he doesnt even know what a camera is guys, he just smiles on command
I kind of love asgardians. Most people would be kind of miffed that someone hit them with a car twice and tasered them. He’s just like “SHE HAS BESTED ME IN COMBAT! LET US FEAST TOGETHER!” and I can really get behind that.
Okay... I know something like this is going to be annoying to answer so I'm really sorry, but I'm also extremely curious. I haven't played the games because I can't speak Japanese and things with my computer weren't liking me when I tried to do it... but anyway. I hear different things about everyone's personality in the games versus the HnKnA Manga and I was just wondering... how different are they? Can you give me an example of them?
Hmm, this is a horse that has been beaten to death pretty hard already, (we had so many discussions over this XD) but I’ll try explaining with what I remember (my brain shut out many of the bad memories about that manga).-edit- I went back and reread, just for you~ <3 The behavior of quite number of characters are different, but the intensity depends on what character you are looking at.
For the most part many of the characters were ‘toned down’, like Boris, Peter and Elliot (does the author have an animal ear fetish?lol). Boris was like the perfect friend one could dream of; the general flaws of his character like jealousy, lack of attachment and extreme nonchalant attitude towards death (in the games he once tried to shoot a lady just to prove the point that they were all replaceable). Peter’s ruthlessness and killing habits were almost completely hidden, he just seemed like the nice guy in love with Alice (in the game he was S enough that he declared that as long as he loves Alice, Alice’s feelings are irrelevant since his love is strong enough for two. Under all the sweetness he can be hella dominating I shit you not). Elliot was actually close to the games since he does act nice to the people he likes, but I guess it annoyed me that he got too many sweet scenes and zero ones that showed his more violent and inflexible self. (In the game, Boris’s and Elliot’s jealousy scenes if Peter kisses her at the ball shows my point well. Just how they are always so forward in their affections, they are also hard-headed when they get angry/jealous and simply refuse to listen when Alice tries to defend herself.)
On the other hand, the dynamics of the main romantic pairing were slaughtered. Completely. In the second half of the manga Hoshino’s Blood keeps constantly cussing at Alice about how she’s a ho who seduces all the men and she fights back. Maybe Hoshino was trying to create a tsundere couple, but she failed in her attempts to create sexual tension and gave birth to a simple abusive monster. As my friend harroe puts it, “Hoshino Blood is an uncultured swine who uses vulgar terms all the time and game Blood has class.” In the games Blood indeed is one of the most jealous characters, but he doesn’t forget basic civility even when he’s complaining about the other guys like this manga shows, and he NEVER calls her a slut or anything of that sort. He’s much more level-headed and logical, and has no drive to kill people outside of his job, never mind Alice. There was only one scene at the very start of his game route where he,trying to gauge Alice’s reactions,mentioned violent stuff and the passing thought he had to kill her when he first saw her (which he didn’t and saved her instead, if you recall); but after that he never, not even in the bad ends, ever pointed his gun at Alice or tried to kill her. I don’t get how Hoshino could have him do something so disgusting like throttling her with his bare hands for no fault (according to the games it isn’t possible for Alice to get into the garden without his permission), planning to kill her the moment he’s bored (game Blood wouldn’t even care to do anything or shooting at her with his machine gun in the middle of a mere verbal argument. Hoshino Blood’s expressions are also always sour or ill natured (only the first 2 chaps had some niceness then it’s all bitter insults) and game Blood’s expressions rotate mainly between weary or devilish.
In the games, Blood’s main characteristic is being an extremely intelligent and yet fickle man who’s totally bored with the world, and Alice is a charming partner who brings excitement in his life. He’s a complete an utter troll who loves to see Alice flustered and blushing, but not angry or hurt. He’s a contradictory man who even tries to make his impression worse so that doesn’t help- I pretty much wrote an essay on this so feel free to look that up. Hell, if you have time look at all the character study posts at the bottom of my alice resources page.
Anyway, manga Julius was pretty close to his game self, as well as Gowland who didn’t get that much screentime. Ace had some rather out of place yandere dialogue that didn’t really make sense in my opinion? I don’t remember him actually finding pleasure in killing even though he does do it a lot. Bloody Twins and Vivaldi were okay, but less violent compared to the games (they are the ones who are capable of killing Alice even if they love her in the game bad ends).
Anyway, I really need to go sleep now. Night!
What happens when you don’t give Blood the big F-U with that second comment? What happens when you pick the first one? :’D
He just goes “Oh, you’re calling me persistent? But am I not better than some self-absorbed guy who’d leave you to be lonely?”
(We have three forms of ‘you’, I used the friendly informal one. :D )
his voice at this clumsy! Omg I think I died. “Clumsy?!” omfg it was hilarious.
Oh noes I killed Nelly! *dramatic tears*
XD I know right? He once mentioned earlier in one of his scenes that this (sex) is his ‘area of expertise’ and Alice, being the sneaky girl she is, agreed inside her head but didn’t admit it out loud lol.